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posted 21 April 2007 15:23 | Subject: What do You Know abou IRAN








































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posted 22 April 2007 08:56 | Subject: Re: What do You Know abou IRAN
Am I right in thinking that most of those don't live in Iran today?


Some live there, some have their families there and visit Iran on regular basis and some do not live any where. The purpose of this is to negate the propaganda put out on Iran.
Common, be honest, does it help in a small way to inform public opinion in this world which is addicted to celerbeties or celerbety status?
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posted 23 April 2007 00:26 | Subject: Re: What do You Know abou IRAN
Now why would you want to bomb the crap out of Iran's Nuclear facilities? I take it that you think that will resolve all problems and you will be safer.
So I was right, the propaganda has and is working. Just like WMD of Iraq!
The serious danger in todays world is not Iran's Nuclear Facilities, or the like, it is attitudes like yours that are based on what is fed to the people and not the reality.
Any way I am glad your advise was not followed for all our sakes.

You are not a NeoCon by any chance? I thought they only reside in the great US of A.

Now for some humor - There is joke going round in Iran relating to what you call cowerdly sailors, which I'll try to translate:

FOR 2 WEEKS HOLIDAY IN IRAN, STAYING IN ONE OF THE BEST HOTELS IN TEHRAN, ENJOYING THE BEST MEALS, YOUR PICTURES BEING TELEVISED TO WORLD MEDIA, AUDIENCE WITH THE PRESIDENT OF IRAN PLUS 10 PRESENTS INCLUDING 'IPODS', FIRST CLASS TEHRAN-LONDON TICKET, ALL FREE OF CHARGE, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TRESPASS INTO IRANIAN WATERS.
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posted 23 April 2007 12:45 | Subject: Re: What do You Know abou IRAN
hello mind if i join in...
I would just love to see spain laughing in a situation where, usa and uk have invaded france and are in spanish waters spying on them.
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posted 23 April 2007 12:52 | Subject: Re: What do You Know abou IRAN
After the release of the sailors, a news interview was released which was done just befor the incident, and one of the sailors in response to what is your mission replied "they were there to gather information on Iran". I am certain that there is another term for gathering information "Spying"

Now as a statement imagine your neighbouring countries to the east and west have been invaded. There is non-stop talk about attacking your counry. There is constant reports in the international media about special forces operating within your international borders, and you come across of few of them, albeit a bunch of childern in uniform. What would you do? Will you still call it a fuckup?

With regards to Nuclear Facilities. Fact: Inspectors have and are visiting and monitoring on constant basis. To date they have not stated catogrically that Iran is developing weapon grade plutunium. Remeber Hanz Blitz and his team also said the same thing about Iraq so called WMD! What we hear is all nonsence, and if it matters we must persue facts.

you use the term "act of war". In late 80's an ameriacn ship in Persian Gulf, with all their technologies shot down a commercial Iran Air Flight killing 383 people. Iran is still persuing this in international courts. Do you hear anything about it? Did you even know about this? This is at the time when Saddam was one of the best friends of the west, and Iran had pushed back the Iraqy invaders and was going into Iraq. Guess what suddenly chemical attacks took place on iranian forces which by the way, this was denied by the west for over 7 years.

Iran is not Iraq and the people of the world must not fall for the same mis-information. Otherwise, the world will not be safe anywhere.

Now coming to who was navigating, I don't know, was it the female or the one who was listening to IPOD. The military must have some regulation about when to use the IPOD and when not to.
During my military service I spent a day and a night in a cell because during guard duty I was listening to Al Stewart's Year of the Cat
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posted 27 April 2007 09:36 | Subject: Re: What do You Know abou IRAN
Where he doesn't admit to spying, spying isn't done by people in uniform in marked vessels and actually requires you to enter the country your spying on's waters (What is in dispute). It's not asking people on boats coming out of Iranian waters what's being going on. Which as he says was the Iranian Navy engaging in Piracy. So really, I think the interview comes off worse for Iran that it does for the Marine.


Well if we accept they where in uniform, and assuming, by mistake or intentionally they were in the Iranian waters (which I will get to later) then this in it self is considered as an act of war. You mean to tell me that if some Iranian sailors in uniform took a journey of thousands of miles and entered the British waters, and said sorry we made a mistake, the MOD and the military will accept and send them on their way? I hope your answer is not yes!


Personally, I don't believe they were in Iranian waters. I think the fact that Iran cited a position where they captured them, then changed it when it was pointed out that was in fact in Iraqi waters speaks volumes.


Now this sounds a lot like what was reported in news even though the opposite was also reported. The problem with the news is that we hear only what we want to hear. I do not have any way of knowing if they where in the Iranian waters or not, nor do I accept that information coming from the western democracies are any more factual or accurate than those coming from Iran. All I want to say is said best in a quote from the movie Hunt for The Red October, where the American Statesman says to the Russian Ambassador "..having your ships and our ships in such close proximity is inherently dangerous; wars have started this way Mr Ambassador...”

Ok, I've read through this which is the last report the Inspector's made. The general jist being that Iran was not being transparent in what it was doing or complying to any UN passed mandates. Which strikes a lot of similarities with the WMD stuff. If they are not doing anything dubious, then why put up the barriers listed in that report? It may be arrogance rather than guilt but I can understand off the basis of reports like that why people get at least suspicious.


Who are these inspector's? For all intense and purposes they are the employees of who ever pays most. The accuracy of their finding has been surely proven historically. The ones which had some beliefs in what they were doing and possibly stated the facts are either dead? or made a mockery of by the western media.
The philosophy of Nuclear Weapons is primarily as a deterrent. I accept and believe this and I also believe that if the Japanese had such a weapon, there would have been no Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Again I ask the question If your country was surrounded by hostile armies to the east, west and south, and if there was a possibility of obtaining some sort of a deterrent wouldn't it be wise for any government to do their best to obtain it before it was to late.

No but then I was about 8 or 9 at the time and more interested in he-man! It's quite believable though as the American's make shooting things down they shouldn't a national pastime. Plus they won't be held responsible for British Soldiers they've gunned down so I don't hold any hope out for that court action.


But Alex the current problems that are in the world to day go back not only to when you or I were 8 or 9 but when our fathers were 8 or 9. If we want to have a say we must know and must research facts. Because, in a democracy! (if in fact that is so) your opinion has the power to make war or peace. As the saying goes, you can never have a solution unless you know the problem.

I am under the impression the USA was pumping arms into both countries during that war.


You are absolutely right. If Iran sells a few explosive devices and I am not saying that they haven't, then they are committing war crimes, but if America/UK/France/Germany.. supply weapons that kills 10s of thousand in one blow is assistance to their allies and friends. Sadam use to be an ally and a friend. If this is what they do to their allies and friends I would hate to think what they will do to their enemies. Again the old saying "do as I say not as I do".

The fact is that all the propaganda's and the rest of the things being said and done will not work, world is changing, yesterdays slaves are today’s masters.
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